Please note that the March 2020 PREP Act Declaration (that was backdated to February 4) was March 17 – not March 18. HOWEVER, even that is not correct. The March "17" Declaration was entered into the Federal Register on that date, but Azar signed it on March 10, 2020.
When we speculate about this sweeping Declaration, the accurate date of March 10, 2020 matters. I can speculate as to its significance (at minimum, that appears to be the day when Trump went from downplaying the "threat" to going all in – which is seen in his Tweets immediately before and after March 10). Perhaps the 7-day delay to register/to post the March 10 document is also significant – was unusual/atypical – but I don't know.
I want to separate the principle from the apparatus around it, because the principle deserves a clearer hearing than it usually gets. A law that strips a person of any recourse when a medical countermeasure harms them raises a real and serious question about consent and bodily integrity, and you are right that such a concern does not become smaller depending on which administration invokes the power or how sympathetic the moment seems. That is a coherent civil-liberties argument, and it stands on its own. Where I would step more carefully is in the move from that principle to the confident reading of motive and the settled claims about specific drugs, since those carry a weight the available evidence does not yet bear, and the strongest version of your case does not actually require them. The question worth pressing, and the one a reader of any politics can sit with, is simply this: should any law be permitted to remove a person's recourse for harm done to their own body, and who is accountable when it does?
have either of you ever heard of the FastVax consortium? is looks like version 1.0 of Operation Warp Speed! here is a study on it and look at who is one of the authors!
Implementation of a previously untested vaccine is only possible after rapidly completing initial clinical testing to the point that “emergency use authorization” can be invoked by the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS).
High hopes for RFK Jr. have been met with just more shitshow actors and lies. WHAT did he give up to lie for the devil? He's thrown only a couple bones to his followers. His time is limited in his current role. We all know that. When? Soon. How? Tidy or messy? Literally the lives of millions/billions of people are in his hands right now. Ending the PERP Act and being honest with humanity is priceless. What could possibly be worth the cost of all those lives? Indeed. Was it worth it, Bobby?
Excellent review of the Covid / and Robert Kennedy's betrayal of the medical freedom movement and silence about the Covid big lie of a natural / gain of functioned virus (escaping from the lab). The 2005 PREP Act is founded on the previous big lie of the September 11th attacks. I am a fan of you and Sasha. I host a Green Liberty Caucus web site and made a solidarity statement with your sensibility and reasoning and consider you a model of green liberty perspective (you don't have to call yourself, or even be a green libertarian to be reasonable) and show an optimal way of thinking, as you do. Here is a link: https://greenlibertycaucus.org/debbie-lerman-speaks-green-liberty/. And here are links to sasha that I cross posted to advance the message: https://greenlibertycaucus.org/?s=sasha+latypova
But I am really interested in the possibility that you, you and Sasha, would be guests on a Truth Action Project TAP Talk on a Tuesday and join the TAP group and explain the Covid dossier and the continued threat of PREP act, and problem of the Federal Covid program and response. https://rumble.com/TAPAction. Here is link to TAP as fyi: https://truthactionproject.org/
Also, as an fyi, I am partisan, active on the periphery of the Green Party, but when hosting a TAP Talk, I am politically neutral; at TAP (politically neutral) we have a consensus on the fact of big lies, and we grapple with ways to end the power of the cabal; but this is posted at my substack. https://chuckfall.substack.com/p/how-can-the-green-party-become-a
Let me know if you can fit a Tuesday evening / night into your busy schedule and share with the TAP community what you know about the Covid scandal / Medical Health Freedom movement. Send a note through substack, or contact me at my yahoo: chuckfall@yahoo.com. Thank You
Thank you Debbie and Sasha. How do you keep so calm? Are you on some investigational drugs?
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Seriously you are doing a great service by always seeing through the sensationalism. That Giordano? video is eye opening! Wow. It's like they always have to tell you what they are doing.
Imagine the kind of mental gymnastics Robert Malone does when he says the PREP Act is an abomination one minute, and the next minute say it's fear porn to warn people about it?
It could grease the skids for AZT, Ventilators, new Warp Speeds, bonuses for healthcare professionals and agencies, and distract us from investigating economic and sexual predators in our midst.
Please stop reifying the foundational Big Lies of ”viruses”/“infection”/“contagion”. Whether wittingly or not, you are carrying the ball halfway down the field for the opposing team by accepting their claims and terminology (“pathogen”/“virus”/“anti-viral”) without any qualifiers, quotation marks, or disclaimers. There is ZERO EVIDENCE that the so-called “hantavirus” even exists, let alone this or that “strain”. Therefore every other part of the narrative stacked on top is literally baseless, built on air - I.e., that whatever symptoms of illness experienced by the alleged victims was *caused* by the unproven “pathogen”; that there is a good- standard test capable of determining “its” presence in anyone; that “it” can “spread” between people; and that any symptoms attributed to “it” require any special treatment, let alone the hysterical public health response or media coverage, or that they could’ve/could be possibly prevented by “vaccines” (injecting concoctions of toxic foreign material). All of these health scares about invisible boogeymen and staged scamdemics would be DOA if more people were made aware of the complete lack of evidence for “germ theory”. Nobody would give the fearmongerers the time of day or comply with any of their recommendations, treatments, or mandates, or tolerate the massive squandering and plundering of public resources that this myth and propaganda are continuously used to justify in the same vein as “communism” and “terrorism” and “climate change”.
Radiation poisoning, I would say. Have you read Elana Freemans The Geoengineered Transhuman? It's rather comprehensive. Puts things in context. Thanks for your comment.
Well... I think ALL *emergencies* would cease to exist if governments would *cease to exist*. Think about it... Ready for another escape from the discussion?
If the medical profession were actually functional, people would've stopped getting sick centuries ago. Especially whole sections and demographics of society. Pandemics? Oh please...
I won't bother to point out the rip-offs, falsehoods, and failures of religions...
Although there are many forms of prostitution (stock markets, bank conglomerates, corporate committees, etc.) I think sexual prostitution is the only form of prostitution man has ever benefited from... Jus' sayin'
"I think sexual prostitution is the only form of prostitution man has ever benefited from... Jus' sayin'."
I agree. Both parties usually walk away a little happier than they were a half hour earlier. In all other forms of prostitution only one of the parties is happy afterwards.
“When a person with money meets a person with experience, the one with experience ends up with the money and the one with money leaves with experience.” - Warren Buffett -
Please note that the March 2020 PREP Act Declaration (that was backdated to February 4) was March 17 – not March 18. HOWEVER, even that is not correct. The March "17" Declaration was entered into the Federal Register on that date, but Azar signed it on March 10, 2020.
Scroll to the bottom of the document to see: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/03/17/2020-05484/declaration-under-the-public-readiness-and-emergency-preparedness-act-for-medical-countermeasures
When we speculate about this sweeping Declaration, the accurate date of March 10, 2020 matters. I can speculate as to its significance (at minimum, that appears to be the day when Trump went from downplaying the "threat" to going all in – which is seen in his Tweets immediately before and after March 10). Perhaps the 7-day delay to register/to post the March 10 document is also significant – was unusual/atypical – but I don't know.
It’s a single drug covered in the Act. Not everything is a three-alarm fire ladies. The chicken little routine is hilarious.
Thank you
I want to separate the principle from the apparatus around it, because the principle deserves a clearer hearing than it usually gets. A law that strips a person of any recourse when a medical countermeasure harms them raises a real and serious question about consent and bodily integrity, and you are right that such a concern does not become smaller depending on which administration invokes the power or how sympathetic the moment seems. That is a coherent civil-liberties argument, and it stands on its own. Where I would step more carefully is in the move from that principle to the confident reading of motive and the settled claims about specific drugs, since those carry a weight the available evidence does not yet bear, and the strongest version of your case does not actually require them. The question worth pressing, and the one a reader of any politics can sit with, is simply this: should any law be permitted to remove a person's recourse for harm done to their own body, and who is accountable when it does?
have either of you ever heard of the FastVax consortium? is looks like version 1.0 of Operation Warp Speed! here is a study on it and look at who is one of the authors!
Implementation of a previously untested vaccine is only possible after rapidly completing initial clinical testing to the point that “emergency use authorization” can be invoked by the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3906351/
High hopes for RFK Jr. have been met with just more shitshow actors and lies. WHAT did he give up to lie for the devil? He's thrown only a couple bones to his followers. His time is limited in his current role. We all know that. When? Soon. How? Tidy or messy? Literally the lives of millions/billions of people are in his hands right now. Ending the PERP Act and being honest with humanity is priceless. What could possibly be worth the cost of all those lives? Indeed. Was it worth it, Bobby?
Excellent review of the Covid / and Robert Kennedy's betrayal of the medical freedom movement and silence about the Covid big lie of a natural / gain of functioned virus (escaping from the lab). The 2005 PREP Act is founded on the previous big lie of the September 11th attacks. I am a fan of you and Sasha. I host a Green Liberty Caucus web site and made a solidarity statement with your sensibility and reasoning and consider you a model of green liberty perspective (you don't have to call yourself, or even be a green libertarian to be reasonable) and show an optimal way of thinking, as you do. Here is a link: https://greenlibertycaucus.org/debbie-lerman-speaks-green-liberty/. And here are links to sasha that I cross posted to advance the message: https://greenlibertycaucus.org/?s=sasha+latypova
But I am really interested in the possibility that you, you and Sasha, would be guests on a Truth Action Project TAP Talk on a Tuesday and join the TAP group and explain the Covid dossier and the continued threat of PREP act, and problem of the Federal Covid program and response. https://rumble.com/TAPAction. Here is link to TAP as fyi: https://truthactionproject.org/
Also, as an fyi, I am partisan, active on the periphery of the Green Party, but when hosting a TAP Talk, I am politically neutral; at TAP (politically neutral) we have a consensus on the fact of big lies, and we grapple with ways to end the power of the cabal; but this is posted at my substack. https://chuckfall.substack.com/p/how-can-the-green-party-become-a
Let me know if you can fit a Tuesday evening / night into your busy schedule and share with the TAP community what you know about the Covid scandal / Medical Health Freedom movement. Send a note through substack, or contact me at my yahoo: chuckfall@yahoo.com. Thank You
Thanks for the kind words and for reaching out. I’ll check out your info and email you. I’m at debbielerman@yahoo.com
Has the U.S. constitution been suspended? I didn't get the memo.
But it’s an emergency.
Can't trust Malone after he sued Peter Breggin. Sad.
Very clear presentation and I am so glad you repudiated all the snaky criticism from Malone. Well done both of you.
Thank you Debbie and Sasha. How do you keep so calm? Are you on some investigational drugs?
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Seriously you are doing a great service by always seeing through the sensationalism. That Giordano? video is eye opening! Wow. It's like they always have to tell you what they are doing.
The personality drama is uninteresting. Obviously, we are dealing with global psychopaths that do what they do to get the outcomes they demand.
Imagine the kind of mental gymnastics Robert Malone does when he says the PREP Act is an abomination one minute, and the next minute say it's fear porn to warn people about it?
He’s got two opposing revenue streams. No gymnastics required. Man’s got bills to pay and horses to feed.
It could grease the skids for AZT, Ventilators, new Warp Speeds, bonuses for healthcare professionals and agencies, and distract us from investigating economic and sexual predators in our midst.
Please stop reifying the foundational Big Lies of ”viruses”/“infection”/“contagion”. Whether wittingly or not, you are carrying the ball halfway down the field for the opposing team by accepting their claims and terminology (“pathogen”/“virus”/“anti-viral”) without any qualifiers, quotation marks, or disclaimers. There is ZERO EVIDENCE that the so-called “hantavirus” even exists, let alone this or that “strain”. Therefore every other part of the narrative stacked on top is literally baseless, built on air - I.e., that whatever symptoms of illness experienced by the alleged victims was *caused* by the unproven “pathogen”; that there is a good- standard test capable of determining “its” presence in anyone; that “it” can “spread” between people; and that any symptoms attributed to “it” require any special treatment, let alone the hysterical public health response or media coverage, or that they could’ve/could be possibly prevented by “vaccines” (injecting concoctions of toxic foreign material). All of these health scares about invisible boogeymen and staged scamdemics would be DOA if more people were made aware of the complete lack of evidence for “germ theory”. Nobody would give the fearmongerers the time of day or comply with any of their recommendations, treatments, or mandates, or tolerate the massive squandering and plundering of public resources that this myth and propaganda are continuously used to justify in the same vein as “communism” and “terrorism” and “climate change”.
Radiation poisoning, I would say. Have you read Elana Freemans The Geoengineered Transhuman? It's rather comprehensive. Puts things in context. Thanks for your comment.
Well... I think ALL *emergencies* would cease to exist if governments would *cease to exist*. Think about it... Ready for another escape from the discussion?
If the medical profession were actually functional, people would've stopped getting sick centuries ago. Especially whole sections and demographics of society. Pandemics? Oh please...
I won't bother to point out the rip-offs, falsehoods, and failures of religions...
Although there are many forms of prostitution (stock markets, bank conglomerates, corporate committees, etc.) I think sexual prostitution is the only form of prostitution man has ever benefited from... Jus' sayin'
"I think sexual prostitution is the only form of prostitution man has ever benefited from... Jus' sayin'."
I agree. Both parties usually walk away a little happier than they were a half hour earlier. In all other forms of prostitution only one of the parties is happy afterwards.
“When a person with money meets a person with experience, the one with experience ends up with the money and the one with money leaves with experience.” - Warren Buffett -
Good one, Paul. :-)