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Tracy Kolenchuk's avatar

Love Wayback! It is useful to view the Wayback Machine as a "Truth Machine." What is a real truth?

On date x, person y said Z. If they did, even if they made a move stake or told a lie, it's still a truth that "On date x, person y said Z.

Wayback truth:

On date x, website y said Z.

Now we can understand why sone hate and attack the Wayback Machine - they cannot tolerate "truths."

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Tools4learners-HNO's avatar

the screenshot showing the decrease in numbers is very interesting BUT we don't know WHEN you took them so as evidence, it is loosing a lot of it strength.

May i suggest you one simple procedure to follow when you are taking screen shots?

This simple procedure will ADD a lot of meaning because it will provide a chronological (day + hour) basis to cross-reference this data with a lot of other events (be it "new" laws passed or proposed; judicial decisions; or any political move announced here or there, etc.).

JUST ADD a data-hourly stamp when you take a screen shot.

Simply ADDING a date + hour to a screenshot is giving a lot more value to the information you are gathering and for the readers.

I use Desktopdigital clock 4.11 - there are many others and most of them are free with no Ad...

I like Desktop digital clock (it is FREE with no AD) because i can change the color and adjust the size of the hours and date...

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Slamy's avatar

This quote from wikipedia (not reliable, I know): “Legacy.com hosts obituaries for more than three-quarters of the 100 largest newspapers in the U.S., by circulation.”

A lot of newspapers and news conglomerates have been pulling their content out of aggregators so they get more direct subscribers. My guess is a big chain like gannett pulled their content. Legacy can’t comment on it because of contracts.

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Dudeman's avatar

And deleting those older records would not be considered a valid business practice? Have you reviewed Legacy's policies of data retention? No? These aren't Covid cases, for sure. So, what point are you trying to make?

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Tools4learners-HNO's avatar

I tried to get some of my medical files and also banq account files and I was told that they only keep it for 7 years: so I received some treatments for more than 20 years for a thyroid problem and could not get any information because they have destroyed the file bot in ONtario and in Quebec...

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Monica's Dark Corner's avatar

This was good to know, as I have used this site in genealogy research for more recent years of verified death dates. Interestingly enough, many people don't realize Blackrock owns Ancestry DNA results. Since Satanists are obsessed with " bloodlines" what proof does anyone have that this alone may not be behind planned abductions, etc? It's something I am now interested in doing more research on!

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Tools4learners-HNO's avatar

Behinh planned abductions? - you are so right... and not only, but behind the fact that for past abductions, they is a network of people involved in the military, the gov.-public-servants teams, politics-church-and so on, making sure the words of those people trying to find their way back home are canced from the get-go: and it usually start with labelling the person with mental health issue. Have you seen what happened to Julia Wandelt? She think she may be Maddie Mac Cann, who was (according to the official story) abducted some 20 years ago... Julia only request was for a DNA test with the MacCann. Julia was "placed" in a polish family around the age of 5 while the MacCann are UK citizens: this is the first thing they always do: they "place" the abducted child in a foreign country to make all reconnection difficult; then they put false data in the files, such as false date and place of birth...

NOW in the case of Julia Wandelt, Julia has contacted the UK police about 1 year ago to be helped and through time Julia has asked for a DNA test. The UK police is "managing" this case since the kidnapping 20 or so years ago under the name "Operation Grange".

The UK police first asked Julia to provide them with a sample of her DNA, which she did. Then the UK police told Julia that they won't do any DNA test because according to them, Maddie Mac Cann is dead. So Julia tried to contact directly the Mac Cann to have a DNA test with them. Last time Julia went into the UK from poland (around december 2024 if i am right), she was arrested at the airport under the accusation of "Stalking the MacCann".

And now to built a "consensus" you have all those you tube (and other) influencers displaying their ignorance of human traficking procedures as if they were some kind of experts, writing here and there than Julia's mental health is compromised...

THIS is ONLY TYPICAL: the first thing they will ALWAYS do is gaslighting and destroying the reputation of the victim so that her words will be ignore: because with the ignoring by the people, they can bit hard on the person, until that person either dies or looses any strentgh to fight. They will call it "DEPRESSION"... or eventually "SUICIDE"... That's their ways...

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Just_Henry's avatar

If you flip through your college alumni magazine the In Memoriam sections are either exploding or absent☠️

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Marie's avatar

I have found in my research that some of my newspapers require a subscription to view actual obituaries. They may be removing some that are behind paywalls, perhaps? Also in my papers of where I grew up, many people are not publishing obits at all. The obits are being published by the funeral homes only. A classmate of mine died and only the name was published, no obit. So, this removal of obits may be related to the "monetization" of information that is now occurring.

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EARTHJAM SALON's avatar

Important as The Archive has specifically denied any loss of data from their recent cyber attack. Could the missing obits bv evidence of election interference?

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Peter Sugden's avatar

I have often used numerous Death Notices in Legacy.com to create memorial listings in FindaGrave.com . I often find duplicate listings within Legacy.com, which are simply updates on previous notices. I'm not alarmed by the finding of listing reductions in Legacy.com - Legacy could really benefit from a good culling. Perhaps in his spare time, the researcher could use FindaGrave.com to cross-reference the missing listings.

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csofand's avatar

Peter, what you say is 100% true. I have encountered duplicate obituaries all the time while scouring Legacy's database. I would hope that the "world's largest" would have a more robust filtering system in place to catch these errors in a timely manner. I can assure you that my research done in February of this year was looking back to 2020 and 2021 in detail - a full 3 to 4 years after the fact - should we not assume that any purging of duplicates would have been done by Feb of 2024?

So why then did the removal of those millions of records on one night seem to target 2021 and 2022?

And if what you say is the routine explanation, why wouldn't the person responding to Debbie's inquiry just say that and shut us up?

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Peter Sugden's avatar

Thanks for pointing that out. In the case of 2021/2022, yes, these deletions are dark indicators.

I can hardly wait for the perps to be brought to justice. RFKjr is our brightest hope on that front.

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Penny & John Harrison's avatar

I knew I had a heckuva time trying to find information about people who have died over the last few years and couldn’t. There seems to be a concerted effort too, from people who, for some reason, don’t want anyone but close family and necessary others, like employers, to know someone has died. So, what’s that all about?

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Guillermo's avatar

What about selling this identities for voting fraud?

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Terry Wears's avatar

This is very important work and I thank you for it. Nothing less than a re-writing of history to weaken evidence in future investigations.

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tiny zephyr's avatar

‘Redundancy’ backup & repost blast should happen asap. Some might consider this to be a covid cover-up.

All genealogists & family historians should be concerned about this, PLUS recent census changes & dna tests falling into the wrong hands.

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Sasha's avatar

Seems like the most likely explanation is that an API key used to pull from a local obituary site retired and those records were deleted in the following batch update.

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csofand's avatar

Yes, I would like to know more about that too Sasha. If it was something like you explained, why wouldn't the person that responded to Debbie's inquiry state that?

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Debbie Lerman's avatar

Can you explain more Sasha? If I understand what your saying, that would mean a local obituary site would have 5% of the running total of all the obituaries, and would just yank all of them. But that doesn't explain the monthly deletions that they actually covered up with fudged numbers... it's a technical/mathematical exercise to figure it out based on csofand's research, which is why I let readers go there and see for themselves. If it helps, I can import more of that into a new article and explain the numbers.

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Stephen Carter's avatar

Pro-vac Orwellian regimes just doing their usual censorship tango. 'Truth' is routinely negated nowadays. To protect the evil genocidists.

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norstadt's avatar

I remember scraping legacy.com data to look for the huge spike in COVID deaths in New York. But it was hard to see a signal. I think I was counting Columbia University alumni deaths in New York.

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Debbie Lerman's avatar

That's funny but also the death spike in NYC, as Jessica Hockett has worked so hard to document, was most likely fabricated.

https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/eleven-serious-problems-with-the

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norstadt's avatar

Yes, I saw her work. It's hard to be sure of anything these days. FWIW, here is the graph I made. https://norstadt.substack.com/p/670cbe69-363d-4c27-b6b8-a581b8bf4c3e

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