I have found in my research that some of my newspapers require a subscription to view actual obituaries. They may be removing some that are behind paywalls, perhaps? Also in my papers of where I grew up, many people are not publishing obits at all. The obits are being published by the funeral homes only. A classmate of mine died and only the name was published, no obit. So, this removal of obits may be related to the "monetization" of information that is now occurring.
Important as The Archive has specifically denied any loss of data from their recent cyber attack. Could the missing obits bv evidence of election interference?
I have often used numerous Death Notices in Legacy.com to create memorial listings in FindaGrave.com . I often find duplicate listings within Legacy.com, which are simply updates on previous notices. I'm not alarmed by the finding of listing reductions in Legacy.com - Legacy could really benefit from a good culling. Perhaps in his spare time, the researcher could use FindaGrave.com to cross-reference the missing listings.
Peter, what you say is 100% true. I have encountered duplicate obituaries all the time while scouring Legacy's database. I would hope that the "world's largest" would have a more robust filtering system in place to catch these errors in a timely manner. I can assure you that my research done in February of this year was looking back to 2020 and 2021 in detail - a full 3 to 4 years after the fact - should we not assume that any purging of duplicates would have been done by Feb of 2024?
So why then did the removal of those millions of records on one night seem to target 2021 and 2022?
And if what you say is the routine explanation, why wouldn't the person responding to Debbie's inquiry just say that and shut us up?
I knew I had a heckuva time trying to find information about people who have died over the last few years and couldn’t. There seems to be a concerted effort too, from people who, for some reason, don’t want anyone but close family and necessary others, like employers, to know someone has died. So, what’s that all about?
Seems like the most likely explanation is that an API key used to pull from a local obituary site retired and those records were deleted in the following batch update.
Yes, I would like to know more about that too Sasha. If it was something like you explained, why wouldn't the person that responded to Debbie's inquiry state that?
Can you explain more Sasha? If I understand what your saying, that would mean a local obituary site would have 5% of the running total of all the obituaries, and would just yank all of them. But that doesn't explain the monthly deletions that they actually covered up with fudged numbers... it's a technical/mathematical exercise to figure it out based on csofand's research, which is why I let readers go there and see for themselves. If it helps, I can import more of that into a new article and explain the numbers.
I remember scraping legacy.com data to look for the huge spike in COVID deaths in New York. But it was hard to see a signal. I think I was counting Columbia University alumni deaths in New York.
Debbie, you slipped your first image of this post past even me!
Wow.
I did not catch what you had done with that montage. For the rest of the readers, those 4 screenshots are actually two pairs.
The first two (top and bottom) show what I recorded back in February contrasting July 2020 with July 2021. You can see 100,000 more obituaries in the year after the vaccine rollout.
The second set (top and bottom) show how those numbers have been altered when you search the same period today at Legacy.com.
*you may need to click on the image and then zoom in to see the details
Yah - I think it helps to see them side by side. I might do a second post about this, explaining the numbers. But I'm hoping readers who are interested can go to your substack for that
Well yes, if anyone is game, come on over to my substack. There are many posts about Legacy.com with numbers and as much documentation that I could muster.
WoW. This is absolutely vision warping massive. Now that Legacy.com data has been swept under the proverbial carpet, how can truth ever be told? It won’t come from government.
A very fair and careful assessment of what bits we have to work with in this mystery. As you say Debbie, we await an explanation. If none is forthcoming, we then hypothesize. This could be very mundane. If so, let's have transparency - show us all the data going back through the pandemic. Show us how this is just a normal 'housekeeping' of numbers that happens all the time.
If that were the case, I would expect that information to be quickly provided to put this speculation to rest.
If you flip through your college alumni magazine the In Memoriam sections are either exploding or absent☠️
I have found in my research that some of my newspapers require a subscription to view actual obituaries. They may be removing some that are behind paywalls, perhaps? Also in my papers of where I grew up, many people are not publishing obits at all. The obits are being published by the funeral homes only. A classmate of mine died and only the name was published, no obit. So, this removal of obits may be related to the "monetization" of information that is now occurring.
Important as The Archive has specifically denied any loss of data from their recent cyber attack. Could the missing obits bv evidence of election interference?
I have often used numerous Death Notices in Legacy.com to create memorial listings in FindaGrave.com . I often find duplicate listings within Legacy.com, which are simply updates on previous notices. I'm not alarmed by the finding of listing reductions in Legacy.com - Legacy could really benefit from a good culling. Perhaps in his spare time, the researcher could use FindaGrave.com to cross-reference the missing listings.
Peter, what you say is 100% true. I have encountered duplicate obituaries all the time while scouring Legacy's database. I would hope that the "world's largest" would have a more robust filtering system in place to catch these errors in a timely manner. I can assure you that my research done in February of this year was looking back to 2020 and 2021 in detail - a full 3 to 4 years after the fact - should we not assume that any purging of duplicates would have been done by Feb of 2024?
So why then did the removal of those millions of records on one night seem to target 2021 and 2022?
And if what you say is the routine explanation, why wouldn't the person responding to Debbie's inquiry just say that and shut us up?
Thanks for pointing that out. In the case of 2021/2022, yes, these deletions are dark indicators.
I can hardly wait for the perps to be brought to justice. RFKjr is our brightest hope on that front.
I knew I had a heckuva time trying to find information about people who have died over the last few years and couldn’t. There seems to be a concerted effort too, from people who, for some reason, don’t want anyone but close family and necessary others, like employers, to know someone has died. So, what’s that all about?
What about selling this identities for voting fraud?
This is very important work and I thank you for it. Nothing less than a re-writing of history to weaken evidence in future investigations.
‘Redundancy’ backup & repost blast should happen asap. Some might consider this to be a covid cover-up.
All genealogists & family historians should be concerned about this, PLUS recent census changes & dna tests falling into the wrong hands.
Seems like the most likely explanation is that an API key used to pull from a local obituary site retired and those records were deleted in the following batch update.
Yes, I would like to know more about that too Sasha. If it was something like you explained, why wouldn't the person that responded to Debbie's inquiry state that?
Can you explain more Sasha? If I understand what your saying, that would mean a local obituary site would have 5% of the running total of all the obituaries, and would just yank all of them. But that doesn't explain the monthly deletions that they actually covered up with fudged numbers... it's a technical/mathematical exercise to figure it out based on csofand's research, which is why I let readers go there and see for themselves. If it helps, I can import more of that into a new article and explain the numbers.
Pro-vac Orwellian regimes just doing their usual censorship tango. 'Truth' is routinely negated nowadays. To protect the evil genocidists.
I remember scraping legacy.com data to look for the huge spike in COVID deaths in New York. But it was hard to see a signal. I think I was counting Columbia University alumni deaths in New York.
That's funny but also the death spike in NYC, as Jessica Hockett has worked so hard to document, was most likely fabricated.
https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/eleven-serious-problems-with-the
Yes, I saw her work. It's hard to be sure of anything these days. FWIW, here is the graph I made. https://norstadt.substack.com/p/670cbe69-363d-4c27-b6b8-a581b8bf4c3e
Debbie, you slipped your first image of this post past even me!
Wow.
I did not catch what you had done with that montage. For the rest of the readers, those 4 screenshots are actually two pairs.
The first two (top and bottom) show what I recorded back in February contrasting July 2020 with July 2021. You can see 100,000 more obituaries in the year after the vaccine rollout.
The second set (top and bottom) show how those numbers have been altered when you search the same period today at Legacy.com.
*you may need to click on the image and then zoom in to see the details
Yah - I think it helps to see them side by side. I might do a second post about this, explaining the numbers. But I'm hoping readers who are interested can go to your substack for that
Well yes, if anyone is game, come on over to my substack. There are many posts about Legacy.com with numbers and as much documentation that I could muster.
Thanks again Debbie!
I see that Sasha gave you a like!
WoW. This is absolutely vision warping massive. Now that Legacy.com data has been swept under the proverbial carpet, how can truth ever be told? It won’t come from government.
Where did I read that 40% of serious vax side effects had been deleted also ?? big data is bigly scary :(
Wow. I am speechless. Every time we turn a stone, more evil comes out. When is it going to be enough? Thank you, Debbie, excellent find!
A very fair and careful assessment of what bits we have to work with in this mystery. As you say Debbie, we await an explanation. If none is forthcoming, we then hypothesize. This could be very mundane. If so, let's have transparency - show us all the data going back through the pandemic. Show us how this is just a normal 'housekeeping' of numbers that happens all the time.
If that were the case, I would expect that information to be quickly provided to put this speculation to rest.
Yah - agree that it would be easy to dispel rumors with clear explanations (if they have any!)